Memories that have made Pittsburgh sports teams great!

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This is the Sports Porch Black
and Gold with your hosts, the

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technical director, the Grand
Schwabini and Hockey Jesus.

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Now, yes, I hope, I hope.
You enjoy this show because we

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are once again without the great
technical director.

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So Mark will be joining us from
the Fox Chapel Studios and I

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will be joining you from here in
Pittsburgh in the Greenfield

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Studios just across the street.
From like, what and and why is

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it that Christian Lance Klein is
not joining us this evening?

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Is it because it's a holiday?
Is it holiday?

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It is a holiday and you know,
that's why you know, it's the

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dead zone.
So as you can tell by the title,

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we're going to go down a little
nostalgia trip here.

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But I think he is only not here
because he likes to plan family

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events around 7:00 on Monday.
Oh, I'm not exactly sure why.

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Yeah.
And all I can say is, you know,

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I, I sort of realized that when
we ventured into this line of

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work that, you know, being
available on holidays is part of

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the gig with the biz.
You know, if you're in the biz,

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if you're in the biz, you got to
work holidays.

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He'll eventually join us in, in,
in, you know, in, in the success

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that we have.
But you know, until then, he'll

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just be behind the scenes
pushing the button, boosting,

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you know, our ratings.
So as he says.

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Yes.
And you know what it it's, it's

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always nice to, to put a friend
on your back and really carry

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him, you know, carry him to
success.

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And Speaking of friends, hey,
Amy.

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Well, she's not your friend.
She's your wife.

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But happy Memorial Day, guys.
Things should go smoothly

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tonight.
I sure hope so.

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Amy.
You know, I got it.

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I got a new computer over the
weekend because, you know, the

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other one was I think circa
2007.

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And it was just time to get a
new one.

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And I was at Costco doing a
little shopping and there was a

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nice computer right there for
like, you know, 500 bucks.

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And I'm like, you know what?
I think today's the day.

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So I set it up just this
morning.

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So if anything goes wrong, I
didn't hear any of the music on

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the intro, so I have no idea if
it played or not.

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Did you hear the music?
I did, but I will tell you that

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sometimes when I start it from
my computer I don't hear it

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either.
I don't know.

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I'll, I'll figure out these
settings.

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But yeah, thanks.
Thanks, Amy.

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And a happy Memorial Day to
everybody out there.

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You know, today's a day where
we, you know, really think about

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those who sacrificed.
I know I had a great great

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uncle.
Great, great uncle?

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No, just a great uncle who died
World War Two.

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We actually died in Belgium, you
know, in the in on the front

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there.
And you know, I'm sure a lot of

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you out there have, have
experienced such loss also.

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I didn't really know him, but
it's pretty cool.

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You know, when you go back in
your family lineage and and you

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see those things, it's not cool
that people died, of course, but

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it is interesting that, you
know, he decided to enlist.

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He actually didn't have to
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He he just enlisted and ended
up, you know, giving his life.

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So thanks for the sacrifice for
all those in our country.

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So, but Mark and I can bring you
what we're going to bring you

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tonight.
What are we going to do tonight,

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Mark?
Well, you were mentioning that

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maybe tonight is about taking a
look back, taking a look back at

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some of the teams in Pittsburgh
that have been able to call

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themselves champions.
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that's a little bit more
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teams for the for the Pirates.
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reminisce a little bit and think
about what can these teams do to

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get back to that promised land?
Yeah, that so because I'm a

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technical technical director
tonight, I get to pick the

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topics.
And I just wanted to let you

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know out there, there will be no
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Absolutely no banners are
required for the show.

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But tonight, yeah, we are going
to go down a little nostalgia

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trip.
And you know what, let's start

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with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
How about it?

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The Pittsburgh Steelers right
now, they're they're dynasty, I

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would say is waning.
Their branding is kind of taking

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a hit and they really haven't
been relevant.

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They've been in these mediocre
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You know, I think probably if
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not going, we're not going way
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We're not going back to the 70s
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You know, when, you know, I'm
sure a lot of you remember some

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some fond memories.
I have fond memories of some of

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those teams.
You know, we're going to try and

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stick with the the new
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We're going to stick with the
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So we're going to talk about
teams, you know, from 2000 and

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up.
And really, I think for the

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Pittsburgh Steelers, who, who
would you start with when it

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comes to the Pittsburgh
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You go back and reminisce.
You wish this team right now

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could be like.
Well, I, I think that the the

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best team that they had was the
team that beat Kurt Warner and

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the Cardinals in in the Super
Bowl in Detroit, right?

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Is was it in Detroit?
No, no, that was.

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Minnesota.
Yeah, that's right.

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That was in Minnesota.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, I think that team
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teams just because, you know,
they really want to shoot out.

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You know, they won.
You know, even though it wasn't

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the last drive, it was it was
basically the Steelers last

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drive.
You know, on a incredible

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touchdown pass to San Antonio
Holmes.

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You had the iconic play of James
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in in that game, you know,
picking off a good quarterback,

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Kurt Warner.
It wasn't just some guy who was

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out there.
And right before the half two

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and the clock is running down
and you had that all, you had

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that all going at the same time,
right?

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Right, right.
And, you know, and, and that

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team was pretty good too.
I mean, you know, they they got

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a scare from Larry Fitzgerald in
the second-half when he had his

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big touchdown that that was just
a very exciting game.

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And you know, that's what
today's football is all about.

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You know, offense is kind of
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Steelers always had a really
good defense, but you know, that

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was a really fun team and it
would be nice to see something

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similar to that.
I think unfortunately the the

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key piece there is for something
like that to happen, you kind of

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have to have a, you kind of have
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right?
Yeah, I agree with you.

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I think that I think that Super
Bowl 43 team was definitely the

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most talented of the of the two,
even the three that played in

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the Super Bowl.
I thought that team was more

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talented than the team that
played against the Packers.

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Also, even though it was
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was, it was composed of the same
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talent.
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interesting about that team?
They don't really have a

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dominant wide receiver.
I mean, Santonio Holmes was

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good, but I mean he wasn't Larry
Fitzgerald good, you know, and

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and Ben was Ben was excellent.
I mean, he was probably in his

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prime then and honestly, if he
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probably don't win that game
because they only had like, what

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do they have like maybe 3
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down the field?
And you know, Ben just did a

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great job of, you know, eluding
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Santonio Holmes and making the
big play and letting Santonio

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run for a lot of it.
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I mean, you're right, those
team, that team was, was really,

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I thought it was really well put
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They maybe weren't the most
talented team to win the Super

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Bowl because let's face it, Kurt
Warner and Larry Fitzgerald that

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year were, were lights out.
I mean, they were, they

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probably, they probably, he
probably threw for what, 6000

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yards and, and Fitzgerald
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He always, he's always performed
well in some ways.

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You know, you could have say he
he was, he might have been the

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Super Bowl MVP if it wasn't for
that great catch by Santonio

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Holmes, you know, in the end
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But yeah, I agree with you.
I think that that game in

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particular, but the way that
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right now are nowhere, nowhere
near that team.

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What about the Super Bowl?
What about the Super Bowl 40

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team?
What'd you think about that

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team?
Do you think they just got

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lucky?
I know Seattle fans love to say,

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you know that.
The rest, you know, the rest

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gave them that game.
You know, it wasn't a great

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Super Bowl and it probably
wasn't a great Super Bowl.

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I mean, it was a great Super
Bowl for me because I was there.

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But what do you, what do you
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team?
I, I consider, I consider them

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one of the great teams for sure.
Well, yeah, I mean, as far as a

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great Steelers team, yeah, I
mean, they they certainly were.

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No, that team was way more about
defense and running game, you

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know, Troy Palamalu, right,
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I mean, the, the, the thing
that's sort of like weird about

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about that season was it was
really before Roethlisberger was

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a franchise quarterback.
You know, he was basically just

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learning and, you know, he would
have games where maybe he only

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threw like, you know, 15 passes,
right, you know, right.

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And they would hand the ball off
and play ball control and, you

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know, they would get some, some
plays from their playmakers.

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You know, Randall L had that
touchdown pass to, to Heinz Ward

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in the end, Heinz Ward, Heinz
Ward, I, I think Heinz Ward is

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actually a really kind of like
I, I, I feel like he doesn't get

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as much credit as he deserves.
Like, to me personally, I think

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Heinz Ward is a Hall of Famer.
I, I just, I, I just say throw

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out all of the, you know,
numbers that you're supposed to

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have.
I mean, the bottom line is he,

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he's the the best blocking wide
receiver of all time, in my

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opinion, that I've ever seen.
And beyond that, he could also

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catch the ball right?
He, he, he was excellent and,

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and the defense was phenomenal.
You know, with all the

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linebackers that they had, you
know, foot and who's the guy

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from Michigan?
I'm kind of drawing a blank on

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his name.
That was foot.

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Foot was from Michigan.
Was foot from Michigan?

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OK, Yeah, yeah.
Farrier.

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Farrier was there.
Farrier was there.

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Yeah, right.
You know, I mean they just like

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you know, and the secondary of
course with you know.

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Paul Taylor was back there.
Paula Malu, Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, it was, it was
just a really, really good team.

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The thing about that, I mean,
the the thing about that team

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that I remember was, you know,
they made it in in the wild card

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position, right?
So they had to win all those

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games on the road.
And clearly that game in

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Indianapolis where it looked
like they had the game in in

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hand, you know, and you know,
it's and then the big fumble by

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by Bettis and then the, you
know, the miracle tackle by by

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Ben falling backwards, grabbing
a shoe and then the missed field

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goal by that was I think it was
Vinetieri who who was kicking.

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For no, no, no, it wasn't him.
It was it was Vanderjag.

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Yeah, Vanderjag, who like, he
was like the best kicker in

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football at the time.
He ever missed and, and he

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missed and he missed that field
goal.

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I think that would have tied the
game, but yeah.

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But yeah, missed a field goal
and the Steelers move on.

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But yeah, I think that team had
a a lot of I agree with you.

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Like I think if if the Steelers
now are going to be anybody in

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the future, it's going to be
more like that team.

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I mean, Willie Parker, just a
great fast running back, an

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offensive line that was to die
for with the Castro and the and

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those guys, I mean, they just
had they had a dominant

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offensive line.
It could just move the line of

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scrimmage.
I think that's what the Steelers

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of today are really looking to
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They don't have their Ben
Roethlisberger currently on on

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this on this roster.
But if I'm looking at the

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Steelers moving forward, I'm
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team and saying that's who they
have to be.

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They've got to get they've got
to get younger on defense.

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They got to find somebody in the
secondary who can, who can play

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that Palamalu role.
Clearly he he may be

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one-of-a-kind.
You may never see another Troy

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Palamalu ever again, but they
need to find somebody like that,

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a shut down defensive guy who
you can count on to when it's

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third and five, he can make the
play and and you know, they're

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going to get off the field.
That's where I see the Steelers

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of today headed.
Well, what do you think the

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Steelers of today need need to
do to to become more relevant?

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I mean, there's.
A Well, I get it.

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Yeah.
Yeah, there's a whole lot,

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right?
You know, there's.

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Not just one thing I get.
It I mean, I mean, here's the

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thing.
See, you know, you're, you're

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saying that they need to be more
like that Super Bowl 40 team to

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kind of get maybe where they
want to go.

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And you're right, because that's
all they can be right now.

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You know, because it's it's
almost, it's almost like Aaron

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Rodgers at 43 years old is, is
almost like Ben Roethlisberger

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at 21 before they took the
gloves off them, you know, you

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know what I mean?
It's kind of it's kind of like,

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you know, hand the ball off
short passes, don't make

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mistakes, you know, be smart,
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I don't know.
I just think that the next era

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of Steelers football that's
going to be meaningful is going

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to be when they find their next
quarterback, that that's just

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what I'm seeing out there.
Is there any chance that this

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Pittsburgh Steeler team
currently constructed could be

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like that 43 team where they end
up, you know, just taking taking

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the league by storm?
You know, Rogers has a Hall of

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Fame year.
He finds, you know, great

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synergies with DK and Pittman
Junior, you know, and the

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defense comes alive.
You know, is it possible that

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that can happen this year?
I I think not.

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Yeah.
Unfortunately, unfortunately, I

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just don't.
See it, I mean, that would be

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that would that would just be
like you would have to hit on

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every single pick.
You know, your offensive lineman

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would have to start.
You know, IH would have to start

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and he would have to be
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The defense would somehow have
to be able to get it together.

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TJ Watt would have to have
somehow get get back to his, you

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know, 1820 sack seasons.
And you have to find the

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fountain of youth, right?
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I mean, they would just have to.
They just somehow would just

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magically just make it all
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And I agree with you.
I don't think that is going to

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happen.
But hey, that was a fun trip.

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Hey, and if you're taking a trip
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We're here on Memorial Day.

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Just, you know, thinking a
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greatness of the Pittsburgh
teams used to be the past Mark

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us and but we're here.
So we're here and we're talking

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about the Steelers.
We just got finished with the

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Steelers.
Let's jump to my favorite

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subject.
As you can tell by my Hockey

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Jesus moniker, I love the
Pittsburgh Penguins.

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I think the Pittsburgh Penguins
have been such a great franchise

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for a while now.
We're not going to talk about

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the 1990 heydays.
We're going to, you know, we're

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going to jump right to the
Sidney Crosby era.

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Let's face it, the Pittsburgh
Penguins.

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And I'll.
I'll start off Mark, if you

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don't mind.
Yeah.

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Go ahead.
OK, so, you know, the Pittsburgh

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Penguins of the 2000s really
were a horrible franchise.

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They were in disarray.
They they didn't really have an

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owner.
You know, Lemieux saved the

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team.
He came back and played for the

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team.
And, you know, there was rumors

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they were going to move to
Kansas City.

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There was this guy named Jim
Ball silly who was going to come

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in and and take over the team.
And if he would have, he would

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have moved the team to Hamilton,
ON and they would no longer be

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the Pittsburgh Penguins.
Thank God for the NHL structure

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saying, Nope, we're not going to
sell to anybody's going to move

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the team so that the Penguins
stay in Pittsburgh.

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And because they have been bad
for so long and this is the only

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reason, you know, they ended up
getting in almost consecutive

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drafts, Marc Andre Fleury,
Afghani Malkin and Sidney

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Crosby.
I mean, right there and in

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between in in those years.
Also a defenseman named Chris

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Latang also was drafted, not as
a first round pick, but I

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believe he was a second or third
round pick.

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I should look that up.
But anyway, he was not a he

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wasn't a first round pick.
And, and they hit gold.

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I mean, all those guys coming
together, just, you know, in

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2008, they finally got the last
piece of the puzzle with Jordan

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Stall coming up as a rookie.
And that really just solidified

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it for the Pittsburgh Penguins.
Now, in 2008, they did not make

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the Stanley Cup.
They did not win the Stanley

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Cup, but they did make it to the
Stanley Cup Finals.

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And I have to tell you, Mark,
that 2008 team with a young

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Sidney Crosby and Malkin and you
know, they had young guys like

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Malone and they had they, they
had young guys like.

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Ganchar Was Ganchar on that
team?

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Ganchar.
Ganchar was there.

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Yep.
Ganchar, you know, took Gino

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under his wing.
He was running the power play.

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That team was just so much fun
to watch because they were young

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and they were fast.
It kind of remind me Of Montreal

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this year, just just kind of a
young, fast team.

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They're just just playing out of
their head and you know, Marc

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Andre Fleury in behind the net
just really kind of willed them

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to willed them to get to the
finals against the juggernaut at

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that time in the Detroit.
What Red Wings, do you have any

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any memories of that team?
I know that you know, you're not

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a you're not a huge Pittsburgh
Penguins fan, but you were in

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Pittsburgh at the time.
What the what?

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What are your memories of it?
Well, I mean, I, I mean, I think

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more about the team that won it
next the next year.

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OK, we can jump there.
Yeah, go.

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Ahead and and it's I mean, it's
mainly the same team.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, right?
It's it's.

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Pretty bad.
They just they just they traded

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up Malone and they ended up
getting some other guys.

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I think maybe that's when Duper
came in and well, remember in

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2008, they ended up being so
good in 2008.

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They want they got Marian Hosa
for the for the run the for the

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playoff and they got they got
Dupuis in that trade.

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And as it turns out, they wanted
to sign him to a long term

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contract to play with us.
And he said, no, I don't want to

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play in Pittsburgh.
And he ended up going to Detroit

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where they ended up beating him
in the finals in in 2009.

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So that was probably that was
probably the the difference

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between the two teams.
They didn't have Josa.

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They ended up with Dupuis.
You ended up being a great line

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mate for Sidney Crosby and.
And yeah, otherwise, you're

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right, pretty much, pretty much
the same, same team.

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They had them wrong here.
Didn't they install an on the

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third line, which was kind of
their HBK line, which we'll talk

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about soon?
Didn't they?

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Didn't they sort of make the
move to Dan Bilesma like midway

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through a season somewhere in
there?

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That's exactly what happened in
the next season.

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Right.
The next season, right?

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So so.
They they kind of.

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And who was who was out?
Michelle Terrian.

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Yeah, Michelle Terrian, they
said, you know, you're you're

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good, but you're not going to,
you're not going to get us over.

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You're not going to get us over
the edge.

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Yeah.
Right.

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So I think, you know, they they
had the right coaching move at

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the time.
I mean that the the team was

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really, really talented, but to
be honest, I really thought that

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they were going to lose for a
second year in a row, especially

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when they were they were down 3
to one, right?

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Wasn't it 3 to one or or was it?
Three to two they were down,

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three they.
Were down 3 to 2.

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It was 22, it was 22.
They were tied.

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And then Detroit just absolutely
thumped them.

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They just absolutely thumped
them.

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And they came back.
They came back to Pittsburgh.

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You know, I think they lost that
game.

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Something like 8 nothing or 8
two or something like that.

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They just got decimated.
And you know, everybody's like,

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oh, well, that it, it was fun,
you know?

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But Detroit's finally figure out
the Penguins and sure, sure

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enough, you know, they, they,
they pulled off, they pulled off

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a win in Game 6.
And like anything says, you

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know, anything can happen in
Game 7.

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And, and, and that's what
happened.

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That was the infamous Mario
Lemieux text.

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I don't know if you if you knew
about this, but Mario, Mario

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Lemieux texted all the guys
because he was the owner at the

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time.
And basically he said, you know,

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I have faith in you.
And he texted on me.

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He said, I'll meet you at the
sunrise at the end of the game.

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And the rest is history.
And you know, when a when a

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champion like that, you know,
has faith in you, I think it

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really means a lot to the team.
I know they really rallied

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around that.
And yeah.

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And it's a young, it was such a
young team too.

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I mean, they were just so
excited to, to win the cup and,

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and just, to just to do it.
And, and the greatest, the best

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thing about that Game 7 was, you
know, Crosby got hurt in that

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game.
So he barely even played, hurt

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his ankle or twisted his knee or
something.

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And you know, Talbot scored,
scored the game, scored the

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scored the goal.
And, and, and that's, that's all

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it was, you know, and that's
what it takes, you know, even in

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today's, even in today's game,
you got to have that secondary

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scoring.
And clearly, you know, that's,

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that's what that's what I
remember from, from those 2008,

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2009 teams.
Yeah, it was, it was a it was a

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real team effort.
I mean, I remember, you know,

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one of the one of the biggest
plays which I think maybe won

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the game before was a Jordan
Stahl breakaway goal, short

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handed.
Yeah, short handed goal.

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And and then was it Did Talbot
score 2 in the final game?

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I think he did.
He did Talbot.

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Score.
He was the only guy to score.

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And then and then you had the
when the Red Wings, was it the

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Red Wings?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Yeah, what what when the when

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the Red Wings and and their
their best player was a Eric

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Lidstrom.
Is that what was that his name a

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little bit?
Lidstrom.

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It could have been he.
He had a he had a, a a shot to

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to potentially tie the game up
with like under a minute left

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and Flurry did the kind of like
all out dive across the the goal

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to to make that save And so.
And then with the goal and then

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with the goal, he pulled, you
know, he came across and he kind

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of dove forward.
It's the classic, the classic

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flurry dove, you know, into the
puck and he just kind of rolled

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to the corner.
And they they would they win the

445
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,760
Cup.
And if Detroit was coming, they

446
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,520
were really coming for the
Penguins.

447
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,440
I think they scored.
I think they scored like with

448
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:44,160
maybe 4-5 or six minutes left.
And they just, they just kept

449
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,240
common and common and common and
common.

450
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:51,400
And Pittsburgh just just willed
themselves to to always back up.

451
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,640
Yeah.
So yeah, I know so.

452
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,520
Go ahead.
I was just going to say, so

453
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,880
like, you know, if if you look
at that team and you compare it

454
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,720
to the team now, what's
different?

455
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,200
I mean, what's different is you
know, both, you know, well, all

456
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:14,600
three Cup teams for the Penguins
had better goaltenders, right?

457
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,040
Better goal, right?
And they all had much better

458
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,040
secondary scoring.
Now, it's not to say that the

459
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,680
Penguins don't have secondary
scoring because they did during

460
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:31,120
the season, but you know, it's
got to show up in the playoffs,

461
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,200
right?
And in in the playoffs, the

462
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,560
teams are better.
And it's it's harder to get the

463
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,400
secondary scoring in in the
playoffs as compared to, you

464
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,520
know, when you're playing some
team at the bottom of the

465
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,840
standings and, and you win 7 to
2 in the middle of the season,

466
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,400
you know?
I agree with you.

467
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,640
Like the Pittsburgh Penguins, to
your point, had had had a lot of

468
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,080
secondary scoring throughout the
season.

469
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,600
But it seems like in the
playoffs, it's not the teams

470
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,840
that always get it.
It's those unexpected players

471
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:08,480
that end up being the guys who,
you know, you did just figure it

472
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,960
out.
You know, like the Brett

473
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,520
Howden's, you know, for for,
for, for Vegas this year.

474
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,520
You know, I think he had nine
goals or 12 goals all season and

475
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,320
then, you know, now he's got 7
goals in in the playoffs.

476
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:25,080
You know, it's just, it's just
guys like that, they just come

477
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,200
out of nowhere and you know,
it's a surprise.

478
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,320
And yeah, I don't.
Let's talk a little bit about

479
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,040
the 1516 run because, you know,
winning two Cups in a row was

480
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,440
pretty impressive.
But once again, and also I guess

481
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,200
it is worth mentioning, in that
2009 team, you know, Crosby did

482
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,720
not win the cons mice.
That was Gino who won the cons

483
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,920
mice in that, in that series, in
that playoff run.

484
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,240
So, you know, Gino was clearly
instrumental in the first Cup

485
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,400
and not that he wasn't in the
2nd 2 where where Crosby won him

486
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,760
back-to-back.
But I don't know, those teams

487
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,600
were just a little bit more
mature.

488
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,920
I felt like they felt they felt
like they had some wasted years

489
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:13,000
in between there and it just was
kind of their time to just say,

490
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,880
you know what, we're still
relevant in this NHL and they

491
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,760
just really, they just really
took the playoffs by storm.

492
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,040
Yeah, it's kind of kind of a
weird.

493
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,040
It's kind of a weird group, you
know, because on one hand it's

494
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:34,120
like, you know, they got 3 cups,
which is very hard to do, very

495
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,600
hard to do right.
But but then on the other hand,

496
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,320
there's, there's mixed in.
There's all these years with

497
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,040
these like first round exits and
then more recently not making

498
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,720
the playoffs.
And so it, it's just kind of a,

499
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,080
an it, it, it's hard to really
make sense of it all, to be

500
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,760
honest with you.
Like now I, I felt that the, you

501
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,640
know, the O Nine team, to me
that was the most impressive of

502
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,440
the three teams simply because
they beat a dynasty.

503
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,960
Yeah, and, and, and they
overcame it and they overcame it

504
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:14,320
as most of their team was young
for whatever reason.

505
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:20,640
I think that the the 1516 or
1617, those teams, they sort of

506
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,880
won because they out talented
other teams.

507
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,600
But I also didn't really feel
like there was great competition

508
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,680
for them either.
You know, like, like, not to say

509
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,240
that they didn't deserve to win
those cups.

510
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,080
They obviously did.
But like I to be honest, I don't

511
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,120
even remember who they played in
those cups.

512
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,680
Well, I'm looking at the bracket
now.

513
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,160
Yeah, I'm looking at the bracket
now 'cause you're right.

514
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,960
You, you don't remember exactly,
you know, who they played.

515
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,480
But in the 1516, in the first,
in the first, in the first run

516
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,440
for the Cubs, they played
against the Rangers in the first

517
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,280
round and they won five games.
They played the Capitals in the

518
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:07,320
second round, one in six games.
And then in the Eastern

519
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,000
Conference finals, it actually
went to seven games.

520
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,120
They they won a game seven
against Tampa Bay, which

521
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,200
probably was their their
hardest.

522
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,040
That was the hardest 1 to
overcome for sure.

523
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,480
And they end up playing against
San Jose.

524
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,680
And let's see.
So Pittsburgh was second in the

525
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:33,120
metro coming into it and it
looks like San Jose was the

526
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:39,200
third team in the Pacific.
So, yeah, so they didn't really,

527
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,120
they weren't really a really
good team.

528
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,960
They ended up beating the the
Kings.

529
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,280
They ended up beating Nashville
and Seven and then end up

530
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,320
playing Saint Louis.
Yeah.

531
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,680
The Western Conference, to your
point, was pretty weak at that

532
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,800
point there there there weren't
a lot of teams over there that

533
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,920
that that was Chicago coming
down from coming down from their

534
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,400
peak.
I think they ended up losing to

535
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,000
Saint Louis and Saint Louis
ended up making it the whole way

536
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,600
to the Western Conference final,
losing to San Jose and

537
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,400
Pittsburgh just really took care
of San Jose and that funny

538
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,720
enough that was at San Jose that
had a young Thomas Hurdle who's

539
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,720
doing pretty good for Vegas
right now.

540
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:23,520
He had he probably had the best
series for for for for San Jose

541
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,520
for sure.
Let's check out the 20 who'd.

542
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,320
They beat, yeah.
Who'd they beat the next year?

543
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,200
Let me let me pull it up because
I don't want to talk out of my

544
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:45,440
ass 17 so here we go.
OK Oh this is this is the final.

545
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:51,820
Let me let me go to the play
offs. 2017 Stanley Cup play

546
00:30:51,820 --> 00:31:01,440
offs.
Nope.

547
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:03,640
Who?
Who?

548
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,520
Who was the final Well?
I remember, put it this way, I

549
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,600
remember that they played
Nashville in the finals and as I

550
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,760
recall that that was one of
those finals where everybody was

551
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,360
like, it was like A-21 game
every time.

552
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,520
And Pittsburgh just found a way
to beat Nashville.

553
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,760
I think.
I think it did go.

554
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,040
I think it did go six games,
too.

555
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,000
The 2017 Stanley Cup Playoffs,
here we go.

556
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,880
They had.
They had one, they had one

557
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,240
really good player for that
team, I believe.

558
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:41,600
Yeah, they had the defenseman's
well remember, PK Subban, I

559
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,920
think, played for them.
I I think PK Subban was like

560
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,960
traded at the trade deadline to
them.

561
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,320
Yeah, I think you're right about
that.

562
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,080
Let's.
I think he was on Montreal and

563
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,800
he got traded to them and then
they had that that one

564
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:59,240
defenseman who was really good.
Shay Weber, Yeah.

565
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,480
Shay Weber.
That's who it.

566
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,240
Is yeah, they they had Phillip
Forsberg too, who but he and

567
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,640
Victor Ardvinson.
But once again, those guys

568
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,840
aren't they're not superstars.
You don't you don't say those

569
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,840
names and say, oh, yeah, he
he'll be he'll be a Hall of

570
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,240
Famer someday.
Yeah.

571
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,800
But to your point, I mean, once
again, they play Columbus in the

572
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,360
first round, beat them in five
games.

573
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:26,440
They they actually did play 227
game series in in this one.

574
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,400
I remember them beating
Washington in the 7th game.

575
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,160
That was a big one.
And then clearly the double

576
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,640
overtime game against Ottawa
where Chris Kuhn had scored that

577
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,880
floater of a goal.
It just barely went in and and

578
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,600
you know, that propelled them to
play against Nashville.

579
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,720
Now Nashville was the the wild,
They were a wild card team.

580
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,000
They were the second wild card.
So they were the lowest seed

581
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,360
probably to make a make a
Stanley Cup finals in a long

582
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,000
while.
They ended up beating Chicago.

583
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,800
Once again, this is Chicago on
their downside.

584
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,760
This is when Chicago was losing
in the first round after their

585
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:11,600
Cups and beat Saint Louis and
they beat Edmonton or Anaheim,

586
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,720
who was was the number one team
at the time.

587
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:21,080
So yeah, to your point, those
those teams compared to the 2009

588
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:26,560
team that beat the Detroit Red
Wings with probably 3 or 4 Hall

589
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,920
of farmers on that team, yeah,
certainly are, are like it.

590
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,800
So if you're thinking about the
Pittsburgh Penguins today, and I

591
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,040
think about this a lot,
unfortunately, because, you

592
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:41,960
know, I'm I'm a hockey junkie,
it's really difficult to to see

593
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,440
the Pittsburgh Penguins
emulating either of these teams,

594
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,360
you know, because the superstars
that they have now will will

595
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,800
still be the ones who propel
them.

596
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,400
And neither of those teams had
had veteran super, and I mean

597
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,360
veteran superstars.
You know, they're they're not

598
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,600
going to be like the 1516
because those guys were still in

599
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,080
their prime.
These guys now the veterans are

600
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,920
past their prime and they're
only really don't remind me of

601
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,920
any Pittsburgh Penguin team that
has won any Cup, which leads me

602
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,920
to believe that they're not
going to win Cups with his team.

603
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:19,480
But it is possible that, you
know, post Sidney Crosby era, I,

604
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,920
I put it this way, I'm hopeful
because I'm looking at the teams

605
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,280
that are out there now and
everybody thought the Avalanche

606
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,159
were going to run through
everybody because they have

607
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,199
Nathan, Nathan McKinnon and Cal
Makar.

608
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,920
As it turns out, those guys can
get injured too.

609
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,320
And and without your superstars,
you can't replace them.

610
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:43,679
You know, you can't replace them
with your system and you end up

611
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,679
losing playoff because of it.
It's I don't think that in

612
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,159
correct me if I'm wrong.
I like to hear your thoughts on

613
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,679
this Mark.
I think the model of the two

614
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,440
superstar, you know, you got to
have two superstars in order to

615
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,680
win the win the playoffs these
these these years.

616
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,360
I think it's over.
I look at the teams that have

617
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,240
won the Cup, including Florida,
the last two teams and the teams

618
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:12,480
that are left and none of them
have superstars.

619
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,960
They're just solid up and down
the the lineup.

620
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,400
They got three really good lines
and they've got they've got guys

621
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,600
who can score who really
shouldn't be scoring.

622
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,160
Do you do you feel that way?
Yeah, definitely.

623
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,920
I mean, I think you know the,
the, the one thing that you

624
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,240
obviously need is you need, you
need the goaltending, right?

625
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,280
Yeah, you got to have that.
But be beyond that.

626
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:41,200
Yeah, I, I don't think you have
to have 3 superstars to, to win

627
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,200
a title anymore.
And, and really think about it

628
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,120
like this.
I mean, if, if that were the

629
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,800
case, then the Penguins probably
would have won a title sometime

630
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,440
in the last five years, right?
Because they do have, they do

631
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,200
have superstars.
Even though they're raging,

632
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,960
they're still superstars.
I mean, you know, Malcolm was

633
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,080
still over a point of game and
Crosby is still Crosby, right?

634
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,400
Maybe maybe Latang has taken a
step back.

635
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,840
But yeah, I mean, when you look
at teams like Carolina, I mean,

636
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,960
man, when I, when I watch
Carolina play, I, I'm like, they

637
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,840
have one player and it's the
same guy on every line, you know

638
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,440
what I mean?
It's like there's, it's like

639
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,120
they've got these like, you
know, like these like kind of

640
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,480
like a minus type players.
They're not quite superstars,

641
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,880
but they're excellent players,
right?

642
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,600
But they've got like 9 of them,
right, right.

643
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,320
You know, And so like, if, if
you have a deep enough team, I

644
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,680
think that can get it done.
Sometimes it's even it, it's

645
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,040
even a better position to be in
than having the superstars

646
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,800
because of there's so much
pressure on the superstars.

647
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,040
You know, like, like, think
about like Kale, Makar and

648
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,120
McKinnon.
Now, granted they're injured,

649
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,360
but there's so much pressure on
them to to elevate that team,

650
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,280
you know, whereas, you know, the
the Knights are just skating

651
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,120
around, everybody's scoring, you
know, so I.

652
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,120
Totally agree with where you're
going with that.

653
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,560
It's, it's, I, I think that's,
that's absolutely true in your

654
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,800
point about Carolina.
And who knows if they're going

655
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,760
to, they're going to end up
beating Montreal.

656
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,600
And honestly, if they don't, I'm
OK with that because Montreal's

657
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,880
got Slavkowski, they got Suzuki,
they've got a great goalie, a

658
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,400
rookie goalie and Dobis, you
know, they just have and they,

659
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,320
they just have it.
They have so much speed and the

660
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,320
way they play wide open like
that.

661
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,200
And then they got guys like Josh
Anderson who can, who can play

662
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,840
the physical game and Texia who,
who's not afraid to, to, to mix

663
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,320
it up.
And then, you know, Carolina, of

664
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,920
course, they got Slave and
Chatfield as their defenseman.

665
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,120
Yeah, they're not superstars,
but you know what, they can get

666
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,120
to the pocket, they can get the
puck to the goal and you still

667
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,760
got Jordan Stall who's not
afraid to stand right in front

668
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,760
of the net and and run
interference.

669
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,680
And then they end up getting a
guy like Nicholas Ehlers who who

670
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,400
can score a goal, you know, in
overtime to, you know, be the

671
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,880
superstar and he and you know,
it doesn't have to be Stan Cove,

672
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,560
Stan Coven, so or Taylor Hall,
who's not having a great series.

673
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,240
But I think I think you're
right.

674
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:19,800
I think that's where the model
is.

675
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,160
And I think that that's where
Dubis is headed.

676
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,080
You know, they went out.
You can go out and get a guy

677
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,880
like Caroline ended up getting
Stan Coven after all that Marty

678
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,520
Nakis nature stuff, you know,
trading him and that he did

679
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,240
wouldn't sign.
And then they ended up with two

680
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:41,320
other guys and they ended up
with Stan Coven, who, you know,

681
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,720
is just a great player on his
own and he's really propelling

682
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,440
that team.
I don't know if they're going to

683
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,800
make it through the to the
Stanley Cup Finals this year.

684
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,400
But I tell you what, it's
definitely a model that I think

685
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,360
that the Penguins can emulate.
And they're still going to have

686
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,240
to go out and get somebody.
I think the Pittsburgh Penguins

687
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,040
are, but they have the cap
space.

688
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,920
They're not in cap hell.
They can sign young players and

689
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,040
they can still bring young
players up and see if you know,

690
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,880
see if they got another guy, you
know, like Kendall, who who can

691
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,080
step it up and and and be a guy
in the top six who can fill one

692
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,280
of those positions that they
currently need.

693
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,000
You know the fill in for decide
not to sign them this year,

694
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,560
although I think they will, but
we talked about that in the

695
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,800
past.
Yeah.

696
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,040
OK, I think.
Go ahead.

697
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,320
I was, I was going to say, yeah.
The thing that's nice about the

698
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,440
NHL is you can turn it around
fairly quickly.

699
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,840
You know, it's, it's, there's a,
there's a huge difference

700
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,000
between, you know, the NHL and
the NFL.

701
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,880
Like when we talk about the NFL,
it's like we talk about you need

702
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,240
you need that franchise
quarterback.

703
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,800
I don't have the quarterback,
right.

704
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:55,320
And that can be like, you know,
you get lucky and you hit on one

705
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,920
after another like the Green Bay
Packers did, or you can be

706
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,720
unlucky and you go 30 years
without having one.

707
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,000
You know what I mean, you know,
but in but in hockey, if you're

708
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,440
just adding pieces and adding
pieces, you know, I mean, you,

709
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,640
you can get it done, you can
come back and and it like look

710
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:19,280
like what I would say is is, you
know, look, do do I think that

711
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,360
the Penguins are going to win
another cup with, you know, the

712
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,600
big three?
Probably not.

713
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,600
Just probably.
Not.

714
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,440
Just because, you know, Father
Time never loses, but at the at

715
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,800
the same time, can they be
really competitive next year and

716
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,920
the year after?
And even if even if these guys

717
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,680
eventually retire?
Yeah, they certainly can.

718
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,720
I mean, you know, if you manage
the cap rate and you and you add

719
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:51,000
good players and you know, a lot
what a lot of these teams are

720
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,360
doing well right now, like your
Carolinas and your and your

721
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,160
Vegas Knights, you know, and
your and your Avalanche is, you

722
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,560
know, they're drafting well and
they and they're making good

723
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,600
decisions with the salary cap.
Yeah, and.

724
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,520
And if your point about to your
point about drafting, well, you

725
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,800
know Vegas actually drafted Nick
Suzuki.

726
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,440
Did they?
Did they?

727
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,000
Yeah.
He he ended up then they made a

728
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,040
trade, I forget who ended up
going out.

729
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,520
I think Patch already ended up
going out to Vegas and he didn't

730
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,880
actually do that well out there.
But in that trade was Suzuki was

731
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,360
in the trade.
So as it turns out, you know, if

732
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,280
you make good trades too, that
that can also propel you to get

733
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,600
young, good, young talent on
teams that think they're ready

734
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,400
there and can take one of your
older guys.

735
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,280
And unfortunately, that's what I
can see happening with the

736
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,560
Pittsburgh Penguins.
If, and it's a big if, and I

737
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,280
mean, you know, you're talking
about a Hall of Fame, you, you

738
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,080
know, guaranteed Hall of Famer
and Sidney Crosby.

739
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,960
But man, if you trade him and
you can get a treasure trove.

740
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,960
It might be better.
For the franchise in the long

741
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,040
run.
But boy, it's just such a hard

742
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,640
pill to swallow as a Pittsburgh
Penguins fan to talk about that,

743
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,560
you know?
I I will tell you what though,

744
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,360
you know, you, you had mentioned
something to me the other week

745
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,960
and I, I thought about it and I
was like, that's the thing to

746
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,520
do, man, you know, because
everybody knows that, you know,

747
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,240
there's a potential of an Austin
Matthews trade and you know,

748
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,200
he's, he's a superstar and he's
young, right?

749
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,720
Look and, and you know, I'm
sitting there and I'm thinking,

750
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,040
you know, OK, like, you know,
what would the Flyers have to do

751
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,000
to, to get him like 2 first
round picks and Mychkoff and,

752
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,920
and connect me, you know what I
mean?

753
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,640
And then and then you and, but
then you said to me you were

754
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,400
like, what about Sidney Crosby
for Austin Matthews?

755
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,560
And I was.
Like would you do?

756
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,920
It I was like that would get it
done.

757
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,280
Oh, that would get it done.
Yeah, and you wouldn't have to,

758
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,680
you wouldn't have to mortgage
your future, right?

759
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:04,200
You would actually be giving up
your best player, clearly, but

760
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,880
only your best player for maybe
the next two or three years.

761
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,200
If, if you want to win a Cup,
that is, you know, if he becomes

762
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,320
your best player four or five
years from now, you can

763
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,680
guarantee that there's no Cup
coming to Pittsburgh.

764
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,840
But I don't know.
I hate to talk about trading.

765
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,960
Sidney Crosby really makes my
son crawl.

766
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,520
I, I just, I it just it's very,
it's a difficult conversation.

767
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,840
Hey, if you're still with us,
thanks for keeping by the porch.

768
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,800
You know, we're here here every
Monday night at 7:00.

769
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,480
Appreciate you stopping by here
on a Memorial Day.

770
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,040
It's a holiday, so traffic's a
little low.

771
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,160
I get it.
Everybody's out.

772
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,720
Probably having a hot dog and a
hamburger, maybe even a cold

773
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,440
brew.
I don't drink on on set on

774
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,720
Mondays because, you know, got
this thing called work the next

775
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,680
day.
It's like all the parties should

776
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,040
be on all the parties should be
on Sunday as far as I'm

777
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,760
concerned, because in that way
you can actually celebrate.

778
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,160
I think we get a holidays wrong
in in this country.

779
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,080
All the holidays should be on a
Friday.

780
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:04,680
You know what?
You know what?

781
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,600
It's funny you say that.
I I was thinking the exact same

782
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,360
thing today.
It's.

783
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,400
Like it's like what?
What?

784
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,960
Good.
Is it like when you wake up

785
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:17,160
Tuesday morning, it's like there
was no point in having a holiday

786
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,760
on a Monday, You know what I
mean?

787
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,480
Our #1 fan is always here, Amy,
we know you're here and you know

788
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,960
one guy loves you more than the
other, that's for sure.

789
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,520
But we love you being here.
Really appreciate it.

790
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,120
So that leaves us with one
franchise left in Pittsburgh.

791
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,880
That would be our Pittsburgh
Pirates, the Buckos, the

792
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,000
franchise that will never go
away, the franchise that

793
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,080
seemingly never wins.
But you know what?

794
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,400
We looked it up because we were
like, what would be considered

795
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,840
the heyday for the Pittsburgh
Pirates?

796
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,400
And Mark, do you remember what
we found?

797
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,600
We found a team that exited in
the first round three years in a

798
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,600
row.
Three years grew up.

799
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,960
In two of those years where even
a play in play in.

800
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,600
Game, you know.
They did.

801
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,680
They did in the middle.
So from 20 in 20/13/2014 and

802
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,200
2015, the Pittsburgh Pirates
did.

803
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:20,320
Technically, I don't know if you
consider the play.

804
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,400
If you consider the play in game
playoffs, then they made the

805
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,800
playoffs three years in a row.
I personally don't consider the

806
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,360
play in game playoff game, but
if you want to, I'm not going to

807
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,600
disparage you for it.
It's fine.

808
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,080
Go ahead and do it.
They lost.

809
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,520
They lost the first they lost
the first play in game and the

810
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,160
second play in game.
They they beat Cueto in the

811
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,760
infamous Cueto drops the ball.
People quite cheer his name and

812
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,360
he drops the ball and the
Pittsburgh Penguins wins.

813
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,240
Pittsburgh Penguins Pittsburgh
Pirates win 6 to 2 and they go

814
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:59,040
on to play the dreaded Saint
Louis Cardinals in the first

815
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,200
round.
And you know what they they did.

816
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,880
So let's just give it to the
Pirates, the team that you know

817
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,200
they can never win.
They did make it.

818
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,120
They didn't.
They were relevant there from

819
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:17,320
2013, 2014, 2015.
Amy, I'm afraid that the Pirates

820
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,800
of the 1970s don't count.
I really like the Pirates of the

821
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,120
80s personally, because I love
the I love the Barry Bonds and

822
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,640
the Bonillas and the Andy Van
Slakes and the Doug Drabecks of

823
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,760
the world.
I thought that team was really

824
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,440
well-rounded.
Not that I'm going to disparage,

825
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,400
you know, Dave Parker and Willie
Stargell and the boys, but.

826
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,440
But yeah, I mean, what do you
guys say about these?

827
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,680
We are family.
That was the 1979 team.

828
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,120
Yeah, we are family.
That's that's what Amy's saying.

829
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,280
She watched it with her dad.
So of course they were family

830
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,720
when they watched it together.
And that's that's that, that's

831
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:58,640
what it's all about.
So this, this Pittsburgh Pirates

832
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,080
team, what, what do you say
about the heyday 2013, fourteen

833
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,240
and 15?
What do you remember?

834
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:11,280
All I remember was nothing.
Well, I mean, look, I, I, I

835
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:17,760
remember that there was one year
and I do believe McCutcheon won

836
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,160
the MVP one year, didn't he?
Yeah, I believe he did.

837
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,240
He definitely did.
He he had one year where he won

838
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:29,360
the MVP and he pretty much put
the team on his back and got his

839
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,280
team to the postseason and he
was a great player here for for

840
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:39,320
a long time.
I remember Garrett Cole being an

841
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,240
incredible pitcher.
But then unfortunately, what

842
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:47,480
we've seen too often here
happened again where, you know,

843
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,320
we got this great pitcher and we
just let him go to the Yankees,

844
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,680
you know, And I just remember it
was sort of like they, they,

845
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:01,560
they find they, they kind of
finally had a little bit of a

846
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,040
combination of some veteran
guys.

847
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,720
You know, they brought in that
catcher.

848
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:13,280
What was his name again?
Oh yeah, from Saint, from Saint

849
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,440
Louis.
They brought in.

850
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,560
I'll, I'll look it up, but yeah,
I know what you're talking

851
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,520
about.
Yeah, they brought in the the

852
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,120
good catcher and, you know,
look, they they had a pretty

853
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:28,640
good team.
Unfortunately, you know, it was

854
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,640
just like what the Pirates kind
of always did.

855
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,760
Like, you know, they had Jason
Bay, he was good, then he got

856
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,280
traded.
You know, they had the guy who

857
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,120
played second base who was good
and then he got traded.

858
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,760
Jason Kendall, right?
Right.

859
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,800
Yeah, he was, He was.
He was the catcher.

860
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,200
Catcher didn't didn't he move to
second base?

861
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,200
I I thought he did.
He.

862
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,680
He, he moved, yeah, 'cause he,
he couldn't sit back there

863
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,320
anymore, right?
Right, right.

864
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:56,160
Yeah.
McCutcheon.

865
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,320
McCutcheon was the leader of
that team for sure.

866
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,080
They had Josh Harrison.
Yeah, Josh Harrison had some.

867
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,200
Are are you thinking of are you
think of Russell Martin as the

868
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,160
catcher?
Yes, yes, Russell Martin.

869
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,800
Yeah, Russell Martin.
Yeah, he, he brought him.

870
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,800
Yeah, he came up with some big
clutch hits and down the stretch

871
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,440
of the seasons.
Sterling Marte was on that team

872
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,040
too, in 2013.
And you know, let's face it,

873
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,920
Clinton Hurdle did a really good
job with that, with those teams,

874
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,600
with the, with the talent he
had.

875
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,000
He was.
He was a good manager for them

876
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:32,800
at the time for sure.
So yeah, I mean, look, the

877
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,880
Pirates, look, I, I will say
this, I mean, right now they

878
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,960
said two games above 500 and I
think we just hit like the 1/3

879
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,000
of the season mark.
So look, if you told me before

880
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,680
the season that they were going
to be two games over 501, third

881
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,720
of the way into the season, I
would take it.

882
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,000
Yeah, I agree.
I would take it that I would

883
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,920
take that also.
Yeah, but at the same time, I'm

884
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,600
also not going to get terribly
excited about it either.

885
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:03,840
Right.
You know, because you, you still

886
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,480
got a ways to go.
It's nice to see that, you know,

887
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:16,360
Skeins obviously is a superstar,
you know, you know, O'Neill Cruz

888
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,880
is improving this year.
You know, of course, you've got,

889
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,800
you know, the shortstop Connor
Griffin starting to hit a little

890
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,440
bit for average now.
I think he's, he's kind of sort

891
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,760
of like learning as he's going.
It's kind of like now he's sort

892
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,640
of like figured out how to hit
for average now.

893
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,920
Now he has to sort of figure out
how to hit for power.

894
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:45,280
You know, he actually had a shot
today in the in the 9th inning

895
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,800
that was almost out of the park.
Guy made kind of like a leaping

896
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,560
grab at at the wall.
But so maybe maybe he's getting

897
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,520
closer to that.
But you know, look, you know, I

898
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,960
think like, I think the core,
which is, is a is a good

899
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,480
professional hitter.
You know, they've got they've

900
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,320
got some bats.
You know, Lowe is is a good ball

901
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,560
player.
You know, look, they're going to

902
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,120
stick in it.
I mean, they're they're going to

903
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:13,600
be in the race, you know, will
they make a playoff push at some

904
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,760
point?
I mean, I doubt it.

905
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,120
But at the same time, if they
did, it wouldn't be a complete

906
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,880
surprise.
So, you know, I'm rooting for

907
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,160
them.
It'll be it'll be nice to see

908
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,920
some meaningful baseball in late
August, September.

909
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:37,400
But, you know, look, honestly,
the the the history lesson that

910
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,280
we have to look at with the
Pirates is just don't trade

911
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,200
people.
Really.

912
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,880
It's a really it's a symbol that
don't trade people and don't let

913
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,160
people go.
I mean, that's what it is.

914
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,480
You know, like, you know, you
can't let Paul Skeens go.

915
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,640
You know, you can't, you can't
let Conor Griffin go and

916
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,000
hopefully he won't because he
sounded like a nine year deal,

917
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,720
you know, and you know, you've
got to develop folks like, you

918
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:05,480
know, this Ashcraft seems like
he, you know, might be a really

919
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,800
good pitcher.
So keep developing these guys

920
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,280
and keep them on the team.
That's really the key.

921
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,800
You know, low he might he might
only be on like a one year deal

922
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,240
or something like you got to
keep him right.

923
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,040
So that that's kind of my
thought on on the Buccos.

924
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,000
Well, the way I and I agree with
everything you said, the one

925
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,040
thing that maybe and maybe it's
because we're setting the bar

926
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,240
very low for the Pittsburgh
Pirates, much lower than the

927
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,440
other two teams.
We're not talking about them

928
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,400
winning a world championship,
you know, we're talking about

929
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,920
them making the playoffs.
That being said, that's

930
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,800
successful for Pittsburgh.
And we know the reasons why is

931
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,360
because they have an owner that
doesn't like to sign players and

932
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,120
doesn't like to keep players
because they become expensive

933
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,440
and they they eat into his
profit margin.

934
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,120
But you know that that's never
going to change, and that's not

935
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,840
what we're talking about.
They never had an owner back.

936
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,360
Well, it's the same owner back
then, right?

937
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,480
So he can he can keep people for
long enough.

938
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,720
And I think of all the teams
that we just talked about, of

939
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,600
all the franchises we just
talked about, the Pittsburgh

940
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,160
Pirates are probably the closest
to repeating what what they did

941
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,560
in 1314 and 15.
I think if they can keep skiing,

942
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,480
there's no reason why they can't
be playing in a play in game

943
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,240
this year, right?
I mean, there's it would be a

944
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,760
surprise, but I think they could
do it.

945
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,800
And it's not this year,
certainly next year that they've

946
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,880
got the pieces together to be
able to do that.

947
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,160
And so I don't know, I guess of
the of the of the three

948
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,680
franchises that we talked about
and if if you missed the

949
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,960
Steelers and if you missed the
Penguins, go back or wait for

950
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,680
the wait for the podcast come
out and you know, you can listen

951
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,280
to that.
But I think the Pittsburgh

952
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,400
Pirates are probably the most
optimistic to be like those

953
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,680
glory days than the other two
franchises.

954
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,280
Absolutely for sure.
And I think you're right,

955
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,720
though, I think they're going to
have to keep the team together.

956
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,320
And let's hope that Nutting,
let's hope that Nutting can, you

957
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,200
know, do the right thing and
sign the right players to the

958
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,680
right contracts.
Hey.

959
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,080
Derpy welcome buddy.
What is?

960
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,680
What does Derpy have to say
here?

961
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,280
Well, let's see, I think he
wants to talk about talk about

962
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,440
some Steelers stuff.
We can we can head now that

963
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,440
we're done.
It says can't wait for the 19th

964
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,720
through 23rd pick again for the
Steelers and the Pirates.

965
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,120
They have the opportunity to do
something.

966
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,680
They just need actual pitching
and day-to-day today.

967
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,440
Healthy question.
And the owner will blow us up

968
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,440
by.
Yeah, well, I mean, you are

969
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,320
right.
This the Steelers do look like

970
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,920
they're destined for that.
That 19th, Well, 16th.

971
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,520
You know what though?
25th pick.

972
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,840
I'll, I'll take, I'll take a
different stance for you here,

973
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,480
though.
I, I, I would not say that the

974
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,320
pirates are closest.
I, I think it, it logically

975
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,400
makes sense.
You know, I'm not saying you're

976
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,120
not seeing what's right in front
of you.

977
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:06,520
It does make logical sense,
however, I would say that the

978
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:13,000
Steelers are the team that is
closest to getting back to being

979
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,320
a real, you know, championship
type contender.

980
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,400
And, and the reason being it's
not because of anything the

981
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,920
Steelers are going to do.
The Steelers are just eventually

982
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:31,640
going to be their own victim and
they're going to have a terrible

983
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,640
season, whether it's this year
or the year after.

984
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,160
And they're going to actually
get, you know, a good

985
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,720
quarterback to start over with
again.

986
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,320
And in football, you know, you
can go from being like, you

987
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,760
know, amongst the worst teams in
the league to being amongst the

988
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,680
best in two years.
You're right about that.

989
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,280
With the right, with the right
lucky pick, it is possible to do

990
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,800
that.
But, you know, Darby's basically

991
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,680
saying, you know, he, he, he
echoes my sentiment when it

992
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,160
comes to the pirates.
Owner doesn't want to pay.

993
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,000
It is still early for the
pirates.

994
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,280
We're we're hoping, we're
holding out hope.

995
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,600
Derpy.
I hope you can have a little bit

996
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,160
of optimism in there.
If you don't, you know, you can

997
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,680
bring your pessimism, pessimism
to the porch anytime you want.

998
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,560
You know, we love pessimism here
more than optimism, usually

999
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,720
because it makes for good
conversation.

1000
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,680
Well, Mark, I think we finally
made it to that time of the show

1001
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:33,400
when it's time to give back.
It is time to give back.

1002
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,120
You know, as we all know, there
is there's no Steelers on, there

1003
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,880
is no Penguins hockey on.
Although your hockey Jesus does

1004
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,320
love himself playoff hockey.
But if that's not you, then

1005
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,400
you're looking for something
else to watch, right?

1006
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,520
Because you know the Buckos,
they're done.

1007
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,080
They already played today,
right?

1008
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,240
So what are you going to watch
at night?

1009
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,400
Well, we are going to take care
of that for you.

1010
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,080
You don't have to worry about
looking through trailers.

1011
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,360
You don't have to worry about
reading reviews.

1012
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,160
You just listen to us and you
just say hey guys, sports porch

1013
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,760
guys said two thumbs up.
It's a lock, it's a winner and

1014
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,600
you just watch it and enjoy
yourself.

1015
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,160
That's what we're here to do for
you.

1016
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,440
So many options, so many
choices.

1017
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:23,480
We will help you through that
and starting us off, we will go

1018
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:29,560
to Hockey Jesus.
Hockey Jesus likes things that

1019
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,960
are on repeat and have many,
many, many seasons.

1020
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,600
And I believe we're going to
talk about a Season 50, aren't

1021
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,840
we, Steve?
That's right, it's time to talk

1022
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,960
about Survivor.
Cue the music.

1023
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,040
Survivor 50.
In the hands of the fans, it's a

1024
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,280
wrap.
You know, I really wish I could

1025
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,640
talk about this while it's going
on, but for some reason, you

1026
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,360
know, the technical director
says, you know, he's got these

1027
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,080
rules.
You can't talk about anything

1028
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,800
until it's over.
So unfortunately, I hope you

1029
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,160
have been watching Survivor 50.
It is been an epic season.

1030
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,600
Of course, because it's Survivor
50, they had to bring back all

1031
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,920
the All Stars.
And of course, you know who you

1032
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,720
might consider an All Star like
Boston Rob didn't make it and

1033
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:24,400
Tyson, who I love is a player
didn't come back, you know, But

1034
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,920
there were definitely some,
there were definitely some

1035
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,320
really great players like Siree,
my all time favorite.

1036
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,200
She when she first came on
Survivor, she was lousy.

1037
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,360
She was, she was absolutely
terrible.

1038
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,320
She was the one player, you
know, and they, there's one on

1039
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,120
every season where it's just
like they're out there.

1040
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,440
The, you know, the proof they
can get off the get off the sofa

1041
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,280
and get out there, you know, and
she couldn't win a challenge.

1042
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,480
She couldn't even make it over a
balance beam.

1043
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,640
You know, her, her claim the
fame was, you know, she, she

1044
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,520
finally made a lacrosse, this
balance beam and everybody was

1045
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,840
cheering her on, you know, and
there's one, there's one in

1046
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,920
every show, which is kind of why
I love the show because you

1047
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,480
know, they have people like that
to just, you know, seemingly

1048
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:12,320
aren't, are just normal people
and have no talent, have no

1049
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,600
physical attributes.
Of course they have the

1050
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,920
beautiful women and the buff man
with this, you know, with the

1051
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,880
six pack or the 8 pack, they can
climb a tree in like 3 seconds

1052
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,000
and knock down all the coconuts
they want.

1053
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,200
But this season they brought
back some guys and gals.

1054
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,440
And this year, Aubrey won it.
You probably don't know who

1055
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,840
Aubrey is, but she's played.
She's played three or four times

1056
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,600
before.
Every time she has made it to

1057
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,880
the jury, jury, and she's lost.
This time she did some jury

1058
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,800
management as she was kind of
rising her way up, knocked off

1059
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,440
the right people.
She knocked off Ozzie and Sarie.

1060
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,200
By the way, Sarie in real life
is like one of her best friends.

1061
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,360
Oh.
Really think.

1062
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,280
About that, yeah.
So it's, it's really it's, I

1063
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,480
think it's difficult for for
season.

1064
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:05,560
Like Survivor 50, when you know,
these players talk outside, you

1065
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,440
know, and you really win a
normal Survivor game, you don't

1066
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,880
know who you're playing with,
you know?

1067
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,760
So in this one, Survivor 50,
it's fun because you know,

1068
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,920
you're already bringing some,
some personalities that you

1069
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,600
know, we're going to clash.
And of course, there was this

1070
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:28,160
guy named Devons who I hated.
He was just he, I, he was just

1071
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,160
like, he was like the jokester.
He was like the prankster.

1072
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,040
He was like the guy who would
like create his own idol and

1073
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,600
would like stuff it in the near
the fire at the tribal council.

1074
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,800
And then he would pull it out
and be like, I've been waiting

1075
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,600
to get this.
And he put it there.

1076
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,000
It wasn't even real.
You know, just to save his ass,

1077
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,400
you know, I don't know, I love
Survivor.

1078
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,720
I'm a huge fan of I've I've
always contemplated plating and,

1079
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,400
you know, just just, you know,
going for it and trying to get

1080
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,040
on the show.
But I never have because I,

1081
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,840
unlike Siri, like sitting on the
sofa and enjoy watching it

1082
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,680
happen.
Don't know if I could actually

1083
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,280
make it happen.
But Survivor 50 is in the books.

1084
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,160
Oh, the other thing is it it
said in the hands of the fans,

1085
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,680
the reason that Mister Beast was
on on the show.

1086
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,800
You know Mr. Beast, right?
I do not, no.

1087
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,440
Oh, you don't know Mr. Beast in
so Mr. Beast is a is a huge

1088
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,960
YouTube star.
He he probably has the most

1089
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,840
followers out of anybody.
He's like infamous in the in the

1090
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,880
YouTube world anyway.
And he'd like he like does a

1091
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,400
bunch of events like if you can
hold on to this car, the last

1092
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,720
one to be holding on to the car
at the end wins the car, you

1093
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,760
know?
And it's usually like.

1094
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,160
And it's usually like filled
with like $1,000,000 too, you

1095
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:49,040
know, So he came on the show
and, and they, somebody had to

1096
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,960
pick to do this, you flip the
coin and if the coin landed on

1097
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,880
heads or tails, whatever you
call, then you get to stay in

1098
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,040
the game.
And the prize money went from $1

1099
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:04,480
million to $2,000,000.
And the guy who flipped it was

1100
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,520
Devin's.
And I was hoping that he was, he

1101
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,840
called heads.
I was hoping for tails because I

1102
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,680
just wanted him to be out.
But as it turns out, it was

1103
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,280
heads.
I don't know how many times they

1104
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,280
had to flip it for the bee
heads, but it was heads.

1105
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,400
And so it's, so the prize money
this year wasn't $1,000,000, it

1106
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,320
was $2,000,000.
They doubled the prize money

1107
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,960
because he stayed in and the
prize money doubled.

1108
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:31,040
So, so Survivor ended up being a
$2,000,000 challenge.

1109
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,680
And at the end, sometimes, you
know, in the, in the final

1110
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,200
tribal council, they used to,
they were counting the votes at

1111
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,440
the tribal council this year,
they waited until they did a

1112
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:47,400
live tribal council.
And, and so they brought that

1113
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,880
back, which I'm not a fan of,
honestly, because I just want to

1114
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,440
see, I just want to see it
happen live, you know, And if I

1115
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,760
was playing the game, I wouldn't
want to wait.

1116
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,200
Whatever you got to wait three
months, probably to, to, to

1117
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,240
actually know if you won.
And by that time, it's like the

1118
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,000
game is already played out.
You probably even forgotten some

1119
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,080
of the things that you did.
You know the one the one thing

1120
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,480
that it did happen though in the
live show and this would be the

1121
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:17,320
last thing I say.
And Jeff, Jeff Propst is the guy

1122
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,240
who, you know, does all this,
all this stuff.

1123
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,440
He made a huge mistake.
There was this fire making

1124
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,280
challenge and it was the last
person to get voted out and be

1125
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:31,000
on the on the jury well before
they showed it.

1126
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,920
He brought the guy out, one of
the two guys out on the fire

1127
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,920
making challenge and he was
interviewing and he said OK, you

1128
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,600
can take a seat.
And now this is our jury and

1129
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,440
they didn't even show the fire
making.

1130
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:43,480
Town.
Really.

1131
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,520
So he he blew it.
He, he, he told you who was who,

1132
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,760
who won the fire making
challenge before they even

1133
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,280
showed it.
But he played, he played it off

1134
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,360
really well.
He, he made fun of himself.

1135
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,680
Like maybe I should just
announce the winner right now.

1136
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:02,360
What do you think?
So it was, it was, it was kind

1137
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,520
of fun.
So, so oh, and siree, you know,

1138
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,000
my favorite player she did ended
up winning the fan favorite

1139
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,040
prize from Sia.
You know, Si is a huge Survivor

1140
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,920
fan and she got 100.
She got $100,000 for that.

1141
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:22,800
So Survivor 50 in the books,
Survivor 51 coming up in the

1142
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,760
fall.
You know, I'll be watching.

1143
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,600
And Mark, what have you been
watching?

1144
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:34,160
I watched last evening The Rise
of the Red Hot Chili Peppers are

1145
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:39,000
brother Hillel.
This is a documentary, Steve.

1146
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:44,760
I know, where is Klein when you
need him to Heckle you over

1147
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,800
documentary.
Let me guess, like this band was

1148
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,280
young, they found each other and
they became popular?

1149
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,560
They did.
They exactly did, yes.

1150
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,760
I never knew.
I honestly, I'll be honest with

1151
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,000
you, I never knew about this
Hellel guy.

1152
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,040
Neither did I.
I mean, I, I, you know, you know

1153
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:05,760
the two main characters, right?
Right.

1154
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:07,960
Right.
And, and here's, here's the

1155
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:13,880
thing that is interesting about
well, first of all, you know,

1156
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,440
for those of you who don't know,
it's, it's kind of like,

1157
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,400
obviously he's not forgotten.
They they did, they did a

1158
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,400
documentary about him and
obviously he had tremendous

1159
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,560
influence on the band.
Yeah, he did.

1160
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,680
You know, he really did.
Especially flee.

1161
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,360
Yeah.
The two things that I found most

1162
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:39,480
amazing in this story was that
Flee was just a trumpet player

1163
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,160
who was a nerd.
And and there's this guy and,

1164
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,720
and Hallel was a cool dude who
was a guitar player and he was

1165
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,760
in a band.
And the bassist said that they

1166
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,240
he didn't want to do it anymore.
And Hallel was basically like

1167
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,400
Flee, can you learn the bass in
like 2 weeks?

1168
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,720
We've got a gig.
And Flea was like, yeah, I can

1169
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,560
do that.
And that's it.

1170
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,120
Like like if that never
happened.

1171
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,080
Taught him?
Yeah.

1172
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,120
He taught him, yeah.
And if that, if that never

1173
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,440
happens, like there's no flea,
there's no red Hot Chili

1174
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,640
Peppers, there's no.
Red Hot Chili Peppers for.

1175
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,000
Sure.
And then, and then the other

1176
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,440
thing that I thought was
incredibly, I was surprised

1177
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,320
about was the lead singer,
Anthony Kiedis.

1178
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,080
I had no idea.
Like, he's not, he wasn't a

1179
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,400
musician at all.
And and he basically was just

1180
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,440
like getting into rap and like
writing poetry.

1181
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,120
And they had this like friend of
theirs who was just like, hey,

1182
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,560
we need you guys to do a gig.
Hey, why don't you let Anthony

1183
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,720
like do a rap to it?
And they were all like, what are

1184
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,760
you talking about?
And they're like, let's give it

1185
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,680
a shot, you know, and like, and
now he's like the lead singer of

1186
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,480
the Red Hot Chili Peppers, you
know what I mean?

1187
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:56,280
Like it was like it was crazy,
but you know, they took the red.

1188
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,320
Hot Chili Peppers for a while.
Like most bands, they they

1189
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,880
evolved, right?
Right, they evolved and, and the

1190
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,480
thing that's interesting about
it, I mean it, it's a shame

1191
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:09,840
really that this halal guy, you
know, let drugs kind of overtake

1192
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,520
him and, and he died, you know,
obviously died of an overdose.

1193
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,720
The the only thing that I, I, I
did find a little, you know, and

1194
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,560
I, I get it.
It's sort of like a a testimony

1195
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:28,600
to him, but at the same time
really like every single major

1196
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,040
hit happened after he was out of
the band.

1197
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,240
That is true.
Yeah, you're right about that.

1198
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,080
I think because they had so
much, they had so much reverence

1199
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,200
for his guitar playing.
It was just like, let him, let

1200
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,960
him play the guitar, man, it
sounds so great, you know?

1201
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,440
And then when they got when they
lost that, they had to replace

1202
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,240
it with, you know, the two guys
who finally learned how to play

1203
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,000
the bass and sing songs, you
know, Right, right.

1204
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,960
But I don't think they could
have I, I don't think they could

1205
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,440
have made it without those guys
going through what they went

1206
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:01,840
through for as long.
As we did.

1207
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,080
Together, you know.
Yeah, probably.

1208
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:05,560
That's what I know.
That's what I took.

1209
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,040
That's what I took away from it
for sure, yeah.

1210
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,120
Yeah, I mean, they, they
definitely were were gaining in

1211
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:15,440
popularity for sure.
And then it just so happened

1212
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:20,040
that, you know, the, the, you
know, the new guy, I think his

1213
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:24,279
name is John for Shante, who
like most people who are Red Hot

1214
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:27,800
Chili Peppers fans, would they
consider him like the guitar

1215
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,120
player of the band, even though
they've changed a few times?

1216
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:35,000
You know, he's the one who like,
came up with like, you know,

1217
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:39,240
the, you know, under the bridge,
which became, you know, mega

1218
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,800
hit.
And then they really, you know,

1219
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,680
and they really took off at that
point.

1220
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,800
And so there wasn't really much
on that.

1221
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,319
It was really just kind of up
through the Hallel and, and

1222
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:54,560
really just kind of like almost
how like, you know, Anthony

1223
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:59,600
Kiedis could have been just like
Hallel and, and died of a drug

1224
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,680
overdose as well.
You know, And apparently there's

1225
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:08,000
actually there's a, an
autobiography that that he wrote

1226
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,479
that's supposed to be really,
really good.

1227
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:15,120
And Amy, Amy read it and she,
she was telling me that, you

1228
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,120
know, they, they really covered
more Hallel than, than Anthony

1229
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,479
Kiedis in this, in terms of the
drug abuse.

1230
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,040
She said it was really, really
bad for Anthony Kiedis.

1231
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,080
He was waking up in places,
didn't know how he got there.

1232
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:31,960
You know, he was just like they,
they were really messed up.

1233
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,520
But you know, hey, out of that
often comes some really great

1234
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:40,359
music.
And so, yeah, it was, it was

1235
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:41,800
entertaining.
I I enjoyed it.

1236
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:46,840
I would say 2 thumbs up.
You know, at at the same time,

1237
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:52,359
yes, like I say, just like any
documentary, you do know what

1238
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:56,360
happens.
I've told you that Hillel dies.

1239
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,840
And outside of that, you know,
obviously if you know the Red

1240
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,440
Hot Chili Peppers and you looked
and you were like, who the heck

1241
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:06,240
is Hillel?
Then you probably went to he

1242
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:10,280
probably died.
It was like a member of the band

1243
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,080
to like, hasn't been there for
30 years, right?

1244
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,640
And then outside of that, you
know, you know, that they were

1245
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:21,640
basically like a bunch of
misfits who eventually made it

1246
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,760
big and are rock'n'roll stars.
And there you go, Chris.

1247
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:31,640
There's your documentary.
And just like that, we may do

1248
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,240
another show.
I can't believe it, but the show

1249
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,560
is now over.
Hey, thanks for stopping by the

1250
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:42,360
porch this Memorial Day holiday.
I hope that you and yours had a

1251
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,360
good one.
I think we'll be back together,

1252
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:49,160
all three of us, next week
trying to fill in some time in

1253
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,880
the dead zone, as we call it
here on the porch.

1254
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,360
And I hope that you and yours
have a great week.

1255
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,520
Mark, you have a great week.
You too.

1256
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,280
And until we meet again, we'll
see you on the next one.

1257
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:05,600
Blocks.
Blocks.